Comments on: The good guys don’t always win http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2005/11/16/the-good-guys-dont-always-win/ Sean Tierney's Blog Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:58:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Scrollin’ On Dubs » Blog Archive » To AAWC: one final stone from our slingshot http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2005/11/16/the-good-guys-dont-always-win/comment-page-1/#comment-7533 Scrollin’ On Dubs » Blog Archive » To AAWC: one final stone from our slingshot Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:36:44 +0000 #comment-7533 [...] But I’ll now acquiesce to this idiocy and never speak publicly of the ordeal again. We did that plenty of that already at Scottsdale City Council in 2005. Bottomline- I don’t know what we could have done any better than we did. Sometimes the good guys don’t always win. But I do know that you can’t negotiate with a terrorist. Ever. That’s one of the prime directives. Once you do, you establish a dangerous precedent. When there is no other option but negotiation, you tell your story before they make you shut up and hope that other people that were in the room to hear it. [...] [...] But I’ll now acquiesce to this idiocy and never speak publicly of the ordeal again. We did that plenty of that already at Scottsdale City Council in 2005. Bottomline- I don’t know what we could have done any better than we did. Sometimes the good guys don’t always win. But I do know that you can’t negotiate with a terrorist. Ever. That’s one of the prime directives. Once you do, you establish a dangerous precedent. When there is no other option but negotiation, you tell your story before they make you shut up and hope that other people that were in the room to hear it. [...]

]]> By: Holly http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2005/11/16/the-good-guys-dont-always-win/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Holly Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:37:44 +0000 #comment-102 Sorry, Sean, for the shitty result. I know how committed you have been to this issue - I think it's awesome that you took matters into your own hands and tried your best to fight for you and your neighbors. Sorry, Sean, for the shitty result. I know how committed you have been to this issue – I think it’s awesome that you took matters into your own hands and tried your best to fight for you and your neighbors.

]]> By: Sean Tierney http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2005/11/16/the-good-guys-dont-always-win/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Sean Tierney Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:19:41 +0000 #comment-101 @Christopher: great minds think alike- we already contacted the Sierra Club and did in fact learn that the construction would endanger wildlife in that historical preserve: http://www.burythetanks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=51 we never did take that info to the EPA though, great suggestion. You should see the stack of RUCO complaints that are already on file against them- they are shady slimeballs that use these same FUD techniques to bulldoze over neighborhoods in securing these permits to build up their empire. @JesterXL: we have exhausted every media coersion mechanism I know of as well as the governmental appeal process options we have. We still have the ability to appeal the judicial ruling but that of course takes money and time and our funds were all expended on the litigation we already brought against the city. Short of finding a "sugar daddy" who wants to fund our appeal out of altruism, we are pretty much hosed at this point. The only consolation we have is in that their company will not escape without a black eye publicity-wise from us telling others about what happened. thanks both you guys for your comments and concern. sean @Christopher:
great minds think alike- we already contacted the Sierra Club and did in fact learn that the construction would endanger wildlife in that historical preserve:
http://www.burythetanks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=51
we never did take that info to the EPA though, great suggestion. You should see the stack of RUCO complaints that are already on file against them- they are shady slimeballs that use these same FUD techniques to bulldoze over neighborhoods in securing these permits to build up their empire.

@JesterXL:
we have exhausted every media coersion mechanism I know of as well as the governmental appeal process options we have. We still have the ability to appeal the judicial ruling but that of course takes money and time and our funds were all expended on the litigation we already brought against the city. Short of finding a "sugar daddy" who wants to fund our appeal out of altruism, we are pretty much hosed at this point. The only consolation we have is in that their company will not escape without a black eye publicity-wise from us telling others about what happened.

thanks both you guys for your comments and concern.

sean

]]> By: JesterXL http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2005/11/16/the-good-guys-dont-always-win/comment-page-1/#comment-100 JesterXL Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:44:32 +0000 #comment-100 How lame. I'm sorry to hear about that horrible lack of responsibility. What are you and your neihbors recourse/further plans of action? How lame. I’m sorry to hear about that horrible lack of responsibility.

What are you and your neihbors recourse/further plans of action?

]]> By: Christopher Wigginton http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2005/11/16/the-good-guys-dont-always-win/comment-page-1/#comment-99 Christopher Wigginton Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:13:12 +0000 #comment-99 The trick is in finding an endangered species on the proposed site or near the site that would be affected by the installation, such as an endangered plant having the sun being blocked by the steel wall. Get the EPA involved, should tie it up in red tape for awhile. The trick is in finding an endangered species on the proposed site or near the site that would be affected by the installation, such as an endangered plant having the sun being blocked by the steel wall. Get the EPA involved, should tie it up in red tape for awhile.

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