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		<title>By: Billy Halsey</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-374695</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Halsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything you&#039;ve said, Sean. San Diego is a border town if ever there was one. I am going to take some time, though, to respond, because, hey, I&#039;m not working at the moment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One thing you didn&#039;t address was that when Arizona businesses begin to feel the pressure, they&#039;re going to leave Arizona. How&#039;s that going to help your state economy? Alternatively, I could sit here in San Diego, create a corporation that employs hundreds of illegal workers from Yuma to Tucson, and presumably (I haven&#039;t read the law you&#039;re referring to), my corporation would be immune. Sounds fair? Definitely not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One thing I have never understood, and I never stood for, is citizenship by inheritance. I believe that everyone, even those of us who are born in the US, should have some sort of citizenship requirements beyond simply where or to whom we are born. But then, like John Lennon, what I&#039;d &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; like to see is an end to borders entirely.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just like any other class of people (widowers, Republicans, those with HIV, or atheists), you can&#039;t tell by looking whether someone is a permanent resident, natural-born citizen, holder of a temporary work or student visa, or a completely undocumented alien. That goes for Mexicans and other Latinos as well as people of other nationalities; while most people would argue that &quot;Mexicans are the problem,&quot; let&#039;s not forget that people from every country come to the US, and Latinos aren&#039;t the only ones who do so illegally. But who ever suspects an illegal French family? Meanwhile, the guy at the corner taco shop catches hell all the time, even though he was born and grew up in Orange County.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last thought: It was their country first, just like the Indians. I live in San Diego, you live in Phoenix. Wait -- weren&#039;t those &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part of Mexico&lt;/a&gt; before we went to war over Texas? New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming, too. Or have we forgotten that, like we&#039;ve forgotten the Native Americans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you&#39;ve said, Sean. San Diego is a border town if ever there was one. I am going to take some time, though, to respond, because, hey, I&#39;m not working at the moment.</p>
<p>One thing you didn&#39;t address was that when Arizona businesses begin to feel the pressure, they&#39;re going to leave Arizona. How&#39;s that going to help your state economy? Alternatively, I could sit here in San Diego, create a corporation that employs hundreds of illegal workers from Yuma to Tucson, and presumably (I haven&#39;t read the law you&#39;re referring to), my corporation would be immune. Sounds fair? Definitely not.</p>
<p>One thing I have never understood, and I never stood for, is citizenship by inheritance. I believe that everyone, even those of us who are born in the US, should have some sort of citizenship requirements beyond simply where or to whom we are born. But then, like John Lennon, what I&#39;d <em>really</em> like to see is an end to borders entirely.</p>
<p>Just like any other class of people (widowers, Republicans, those with HIV, or atheists), you can&#39;t tell by looking whether someone is a permanent resident, natural-born citizen, holder of a temporary work or student visa, or a completely undocumented alien. That goes for Mexicans and other Latinos as well as people of other nationalities; while most people would argue that &#8220;Mexicans are the problem,&#8221; let&#39;s not forget that people from every country come to the US, and Latinos aren&#39;t the only ones who do so illegally. But who ever suspects an illegal French family? Meanwhile, the guy at the corner taco shop catches hell all the time, even though he was born and grew up in Orange County.</p>
<p>Last thought: It was their country first, just like the Indians. I live in San Diego, you live in Phoenix. Wait &#8212; weren&#39;t those <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession" rel="nofollow">part of Mexico</a> before we went to war over Texas? New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming, too. Or have we forgotten that, like we&#39;ve forgotten the Native Americans?</p>
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		<title>By: John RWC</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-182894</link>
		<dc:creator>John RWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe when tomatoes are $5.00/pound, they will get the message.&quot;

That statement rings with the &quot;us and them&quot; mentality that permeates everything about immigration from Mexico. 

Take a hint. When tomatoes are $5.00/lb, people will eat potatoes or chicken. Mexico just isn&#039;t that important. Not to the United States, not to the world - and probably most sadly of all, not to itself. 

Let Mexicans stay home and fix Mexico first and then teach American immigrants a better way.

Mexico has burnt us to many times for me to want to be first in line, however if that day were to ever come in my lifetime, I might give it a try.

It&#039;s really not about nationality or skin color, language or culture: it&#039;s about behaviour. One wrotten apple doesn&#039;t spoil the bunch. More than a few wrotten apples have fucked it up for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe when tomatoes are $5.00/pound, they will get the message.&#8221;</p>
<p>That statement rings with the &#8220;us and them&#8221; mentality that permeates everything about immigration from Mexico. </p>
<p>Take a hint. When tomatoes are $5.00/lb, people will eat potatoes or chicken. Mexico just isn&#8217;t that important. Not to the United States, not to the world &#8211; and probably most sadly of all, not to itself. </p>
<p>Let Mexicans stay home and fix Mexico first and then teach American immigrants a better way.</p>
<p>Mexico has burnt us to many times for me to want to be first in line, however if that day were to ever come in my lifetime, I might give it a try.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really not about nationality or skin color, language or culture: it&#8217;s about behaviour. One wrotten apple doesn&#8217;t spoil the bunch. More than a few wrotten apples have fucked it up for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: ephra</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-178569</link>
		<dc:creator>ephra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>financed war against honest peasants, high schoolers,college students,labor unions, teachers whom in the vast majority where being subjected to every imaginable kind of human rights abuse by our puppet government and army; I more to say but let me finish by saying that anyone radically opposed to immigrants needs to:
1- tell your government to stop every war they are paying for around the wars, because are the mayor creators of immigration flow.
2- if people like &quot;the minute man&quot; groups think they are so good &quot;patriots&quot;; make this country a self reliant nation. if your answer is:you can&#039;t, then shut your mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>financed war against honest peasants, high schoolers,college students,labor unions, teachers whom in the vast majority where being subjected to every imaginable kind of human rights abuse by our puppet government and army; I more to say but let me finish by saying that anyone radically opposed to immigrants needs to:<br />
1- tell your government to stop every war they are paying for around the wars, because are the mayor creators of immigration flow.<br />
2- if people like &#8220;the minute man&#8221; groups think they are so good &#8220;patriots&#8221;; make this country a self reliant nation. if your answer is:you can&#8217;t, then shut your mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: ephra</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-178563</link>
		<dc:creator>ephra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job man, as an illegal immigrant my self, from El Salvador I always have the greatest appreciation for the help we get from people with a clear idea of what humanity is all about, and, that most of us immigrants wouldn&#039;t be here  if a pressing need to leave our homelands did not exist.
I for one am here because I was displaced by the war the US</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job man, as an illegal immigrant my self, from El Salvador I always have the greatest appreciation for the help we get from people with a clear idea of what humanity is all about, and, that most of us immigrants wouldn&#8217;t be here  if a pressing need to leave our homelands did not exist.<br />
I for one am here because I was displaced by the war the US</p>
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		<title>By: Firma Rehberi</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-87808</link>
		<dc:creator>Firma Rehberi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post, I agree with you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post, I agree with you</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-85944</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t really speak either way except to say that individual businesses, colleges, police officers and (god forbid) individual citizens shouldn&#039;t have to deal with immigration enforcement issues - it should be dealt with at borders and from a federal level.

For a variety of reasons that hasn&#039;t happened, but what makes me sad is how hate-filled many of my descendent of immigrant family fellow Americans have become...and how unappreciative we all are for the workers who pick almost all of our crops (fruits and vegetables), clean our hotels, houses and offices and serve us food every day (and MUCH more)...GLAD for the opportunity for a brighter tomorrow...just like our families felt several generations ago.

Yes, immigration law should have kept pace, but I won&#039;t become hate filled because that didn&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t really speak either way except to say that individual businesses, colleges, police officers and (god forbid) individual citizens shouldn&#8217;t have to deal with immigration enforcement issues &#8211; it should be dealt with at borders and from a federal level.</p>
<p>For a variety of reasons that hasn&#8217;t happened, but what makes me sad is how hate-filled many of my descendent of immigrant family fellow Americans have become&#8230;and how unappreciative we all are for the workers who pick almost all of our crops (fruits and vegetables), clean our hotels, houses and offices and serve us food every day (and MUCH more)&#8230;GLAD for the opportunity for a brighter tomorrow&#8230;just like our families felt several generations ago.</p>
<p>Yes, immigration law should have kept pace, but I won&#8217;t become hate filled because that didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Patterson</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-85405</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people, including Dubya, put forth the argument that illegal aliens are &quot;doing jobs Americans won&#039;t do&quot; as one excuse to keep the border wide open.

In actuality I think it&#039;s more that Americans can&#039;t afford to do those jobs. Most of us aren&#039;t too good to pick fruit or do landscaping, we just can&#039;t afford to work for $5.00 an hour.

When our government ignores border security and overlooks American companies hiring millions of illegal aliens it actually drives wages down. Why hire a legal American if an illegal will do the the same work for much less than a decent living wage and no benefits?

Other state that they &quot;pay tax&quot;, so  they&#039;re good for the economy. Many are paid under the table (cash, as one earlier commenter admits), and those that do actually have tax withheld don&#039;t pay much at all. How much tax do you suppose the average illegal contributes working for $5.00 per hour?

If an illegal alien sends his two children to school it costs somewhere around $50/day from tax dollars. So on his $5.00/hour income he&#039;s not paying in even remotely close to what he&#039;s taking out. Since his &quot;cash only&quot; employer isn&#039;t providing him and his family medical benefits we also get to subsidize the emergency room visits when the kids come down the flu or he is injured on the job.

Millions immigrate legally from all over the world, there is no good reason to just leave the borders wide open. It&#039;s a huge security risk too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people, including Dubya, put forth the argument that illegal aliens are &#8220;doing jobs Americans won&#8217;t do&#8221; as one excuse to keep the border wide open.</p>
<p>In actuality I think it&#8217;s more that Americans can&#8217;t afford to do those jobs. Most of us aren&#8217;t too good to pick fruit or do landscaping, we just can&#8217;t afford to work for $5.00 an hour.</p>
<p>When our government ignores border security and overlooks American companies hiring millions of illegal aliens it actually drives wages down. Why hire a legal American if an illegal will do the the same work for much less than a decent living wage and no benefits?</p>
<p>Other state that they &#8220;pay tax&#8221;, so  they&#8217;re good for the economy. Many are paid under the table (cash, as one earlier commenter admits), and those that do actually have tax withheld don&#8217;t pay much at all. How much tax do you suppose the average illegal contributes working for $5.00 per hour?</p>
<p>If an illegal alien sends his two children to school it costs somewhere around $50/day from tax dollars. So on his $5.00/hour income he&#8217;s not paying in even remotely close to what he&#8217;s taking out. Since his &#8220;cash only&#8221; employer isn&#8217;t providing him and his family medical benefits we also get to subsidize the emergency room visits when the kids come down the flu or he is injured on the job.</p>
<p>Millions immigrate legally from all over the world, there is no good reason to just leave the borders wide open. It&#8217;s a huge security risk too.</p>
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		<title>By: joshua strebel</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-84639</link>
		<dc:creator>joshua strebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just learn english and pay taxes. I dont care if you are purple and wear your underwear on the outside of your pants.  Learn english and pay your taxes... so us mega billionaire IT moguls dont have to pay triple insurance premiums to subsidize your health care.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just learn english and pay taxes. I dont care if you are purple and wear your underwear on the outside of your pants.  Learn english and pay your taxes&#8230; so us mega billionaire IT moguls dont have to pay triple insurance premiums to subsidize your health care.</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Camden</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-83675</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Camden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to ditto James here. Just because someone is against illegal immigration, it does not mean they are against immigration. Many people try to tie the two together - or tie it to racism. I&#039;m very much against illegal immigration, but my own kids were not born in this country, so it certainly wouldn&#039;t be fair to say I&#039;m anti-immigration (or racist, my kids skin color is definitely not the same as mine). 

While I disagree with this blog entry - I do have to say the way it compared illegal immigrants to early Americans was interesting and gave me something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to ditto James here. Just because someone is against illegal immigration, it does not mean they are against immigration. Many people try to tie the two together &#8211; or tie it to racism. I&#8217;m very much against illegal immigration, but my own kids were not born in this country, so it certainly wouldn&#8217;t be fair to say I&#8217;m anti-immigration (or racist, my kids skin color is definitely not the same as mine). </p>
<p>While I disagree with this blog entry &#8211; I do have to say the way it compared illegal immigrants to early Americans was interesting and gave me something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/13/an-open-letter-to-anti-immigration-fanatics/comment-page-1/#comment-83628</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do not equate being against illegal immigration with being against all immigration or being against immigrants.

They&#039;re different.


Note to Encouraged:  I don&#039;t think most people will realize you were being satirical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not equate being against illegal immigration with being against all immigration or being against immigrants.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re different.</p>
<p>Note to Encouraged:  I don&#8217;t think most people will realize you were being satirical.</p>
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